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the start of april according to their campaign-finance reports and trump' legal expense 11 adding up so he is sitting at less than half of that was around 93 million cash on hand. on the court case continues in new york on the stakes and the potential vp back her heading up. we know north dakota governor doug burgum in south carolina senator tim scott will be at that dinner tonight as well. >> martha: interesting, that's a lot of money -- thanks, alexis. so that is "the story" on this tuesday. over the story, logos on, i will see you back here tomorrow hopefully with my voice back. "curole comak starts right now, state unifor that. will see you back here tomorrow. >> ♪ ♪ >> ♪ ♪ >> ♪ ♪ >> sandra: michael cohen under cross, the month from

former -- but could he find himself on -- in effect on their faces tough questions. welcome everyone, i'm sadé smith in for neil cavuto and this is "your world." the drama is mounting when donald trump speaks once court adjourned in about half an our will take you there were live. first nate foy outside the courthouse for the cross-examination still happening right now. what do we know? >> attorney todd blanche in asking michael cohen about his criminal history and he is also establishing the animosity that courthouse towards the former president with a big take a way so far being in admitting that he wants to see trump convicted in this case and coin is also acknowledged to criticizing trump in this podcast as well as in books. you literally loaded to make a living at this point. during his direct exami examination, sandra, prosecutors got the jury ready for his good ability

concerns, or an admitted line before the congress in 2017 and again lying to special council prosecutors during the molar investigation. on said his loyalty to trump change when he pleaded guilty to federal campaign finance violations and tax evasion in 2018. blanched go and if he is obsessed with trump and here is what his response. on said "i don't know if i would call it obsessed. i admired him permanently precooked generic -- so cohan in the final witness for prosecutors, his direct examination lasted a day and so we will see how long the cross-examination will last and then prosecutors will have another opportunity to

ask anymore questions. again we are expect former president -- former president trump to speak when he leave the courtroom at about 4:30 before he attends a fundraiser later tonight. >> martha: >> sandra: nate foy where -- when court adjourns, thank you. as we await the former president to speak what do our next guest make of cohen's answer so far as he undergoes this cross-examination? was as former the patent is that the -- from the preand criminal defense attorney mercedes cohen. tom, your take on what you have heard so far? >> it went according to i knew that the trump at defense team would come out hard going up or going from premature every angle. they are going after him aggressively on his motive for testifying on his bias, on his hatred of donald trump, his desire to see the former president put behind bars. the difference is not really kind -- networking -- they're going after him very aggressively because i think everyone understands how critically important michael cohen is with the

prosecution''s case and the defense wants to make it abundantly clear to this jury that this is a man who simply cannot be tested. >> sandra: does seem like initially there was a lot of time spent attempting to point out that cohan has been very specific with the details of his conversations with former president of his former boss donald trump but seems pretty vague on details with the da. >> yeah, you know, my take on that is that i think the defense has a very good job of teasing out -- collect cohen dunnellon are questioning pointing out that he had this very precise with the da problem which happened much more recently, he drew a blank. well i don't remember this, i don't remember that. is so adhering defense made the point very effectively to the jury that mr cohan might have a bit of a selective memory in this case. >> sandra: we know there is

only one more day of this trial this week on the trail tomorrow. there is no trial on friday. in -- in fact one of the jurors because the -- they're going to wrap things up 4:00 on thursday, we are told. you're talking about nine, ten hours of michael cohen understand so far if the rep here in the next few minutes. tom, where you think they go next? we've been told now, this is a lot with this from the prosecution. >> look, is all surprising that this is it for the prosecution. i kept thinking there has to be more here at some point we are going to start to see the smoking gun evidence but we don't have it. it was michael cohen final witness and look, the fact that the day off is tomorrow on wednesday i think it will play in favor of the trump defense team. they can spend all day tomorrow reviewing what cohan testified today -- developing you cross-examination, attack that they can then deploy thursday. trusting the way this trial

is schedule is playing out is actually cutting in favor of the defense people to their interesting. we have mercedes back with us. i will bring you know this because before heading into court earlier today,.com said this about what he is being accused of that court room. >> at two is a legal expense -- i didn't do it, a bookkeeper that and she did exactly right, took a legal expense and call it an illegal expense. this is the whole case. are you allowed to call illegal express in legal expense humankind know what else you call it actually. >> sandra: is that his case center and what is a legal expense. your thoughts? >> is interesting. the defense will definitely make a lot of father of those particular terms. they will say that payment was made the michael cohen. therefore it could considerably be categorized as a legal expense. so there will definitely be a plan -- the issue will be is that, of course, the prosecutors are going to pounce on that and say no,

when scientists talking about the words themselves, we are talking about the underlying intent, what was the intent of those payments made, by were those payments made, where they made because you were concerned about millennia over them and because they were concerned about because of your campaign? we're going to show and we've shown through all of these -- are these testimony and evidence that the concern was about the campaign. but it definitely is good fodder for the defense to make that connection during clause -- rods. >> sandra: as just mentioned, no court tomorrow, no court friday they will resume thursday. tom, i wonder who the players in favor of? >> yeah, i think right now i would give the advantage to the defense. really the ball is in an offensive court right now in terms of how they want to go about blowing up the prosecution' star witness or the additional time works to their benefit. will also give the defense, to figure out what if anything they want to put on other side of the case. remember what the prosecution

rests at that point is an offensive term to put on their case. my best bet here in the defense is going to go with a very very streamlined presentation. will not be something that takes -- my guess is that eventual put all its case in one day or less countable can't -- call one, maybe two for this escandon will not call former president trump subject eventual resident will get the closing arguments and then the whole case is in the hands of the jury. >> martha: what's the crime? >> i mean, certainly can't or will be a lot of deliberating. they will not come back that quickly because there was a lot of testimony that came in, a lot of individual jewels, there's a lot of moving parts, a lot of testimony documents, records and underlying all of this we haven't even seen the jury instructions. is based on what the judge is going to actually allow the jurors to hear in terms of what the crime is calendar

for ten of the crime, it's not like they're going to be able to pull a book out of the library on schmick it's a murder, as a robber, is all that. these are completed statutes that have really never been tried in this way. so it's going to be interesting to see what those jury instructions are like. it will certainly be quite the feat for the judge to make rulings on those jury instructions b. a lot of argument as to what should be allowed, what shouldn't be allowed. goby along, a not possible at the end of the day out in to the liberation be longer than at least a day or two. >> sandra: real quick, final thought on this, i'm being flagged on our sidebar from the first thing this morning from our producer in the court room that confirmed cohan and the last prosecution witness and trump' attorney say that they may only have one expert witness or newer bottle with the sun at all depending on how cohan goes. real quick, final thought. >> i think there is a very smart move. when you're a defendant of a criminal case its not like --

is not your bird prove your innocence. you can get up there and say the particular carry their partners prove candidate improve guilt, we don't need to put anything more, take the case, jerry and i think that is where the trump team is going to do. >> martha: >> sandra: tomcat mercedes, thank you for joining us. >> ♪ ♪ >> sandra: look at this, a record day on wall street, the nasdaq, the tech heavy nasdaq closing at a new all-time high. at all the major averages did rally on this tuesday. big day tomorrow as we get a fresh read on consumer inflation in april so we will be watching for that. 16,500 for the nasdaq. we are watching and waiting to hear from donald trump himself as cross-examination of michael cohen is still underway at this hour. what trump can say under that gag order, his team of surrogates can. what the jonathan turley make of that strategy. plus why is he brought the thing a reckoning of biblical

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>> ♪ ♪ >> sandra: >> he asked a question many of us are asking right now how bad will discuss examination b. to michael cohen after lying to most everyone, he writes, "it will

be back on cross-examination cohen faces a reckoning of biblical proportions." canoe -- and we get lost thought? jonathan and he does tend to use money for -- like to become proportions. that remind you in the ed trial it may have been nonbiblical but it was pretty severe weather trump attorney in cross-examining what the sitting judge right after the question -- cross-examination that he found michael cohen writable. 's whatever they bought him today, if he answers calmly and directly, would you really get an impression that i believe judge engoron got that he is credible. >> sandra: dollars former michael cohen attorney michael davis responding to jonathan turley' tradition of today's cross-examination -- you're reaction to that exchange first, jonathan? hello. [laughter] >> hello. of actually known larry for many years, i respect him. id used metaphors but he uses

such medical -- medical failures -- figures such as an honest michael cohen which we haven't really seen so we both engage in some degree of letters. where he is in a good job with michael. i -- the problem is that cohen has shown over and over again that he will only tell the truth if he literally has no other option. and for much of the direct testimony, he did have an option. he had to speak to why he pleaded guilty to crimes. he had to speak to why he admitted to lying under oath. but even under those tight circ*mstances, he may have committed perjury. many of us were really sort of bold over by his explanation of why he surreptitiously taped his own client, the former president. and he said that he did it to protect trump essentially in order to keep david packer,

in the former publisher of the national enquirer, sort of in-line. that makes no sense at all. know i can even understand however, supposed to achieve that purpose. it seems quite clear that he was backing material he can use against trump, like, an insurance policy. know if we are right, that he just after talking about --, pretty repeated it again. he also said that he committed perjury to protect content. the problem is many of these specific acts of perjury occurred after he denounced trump after he became his most vocal critic. so there is already on their work areas that we think he has crossed the line. >> sandra: this idea of the cohen wanted to hold trump accountable, this has come up multiple times and they cross-examination. i was getting another readout from any change that happened moment ago inside the court. blanche is playing -- i guess

he's playing emotion of maricopa podcast for cohen right now. there was a sidebar after that, not remember this is a really rough readout of what's happening in there. blanche ask if cohen said trump needs to her handcuffs and do the prep work, cohen does not recall seeing it but wouldn't put it passed him. digging through this more i get an exchange comes up where cohen said that he did not meet with them and had nda' office, ask if you had a strong desire to ask -- to hold trump accountable, cohen sounds -- said sounds correct. so you have to be wondering how this is sounding and playing on for the jurors in that room right now. >> absolutely. you know, going there just heard cohen going to go -- gray details about because he made eight -- eight years previously saying really great certainty as to what was said by whom. and then when asked about conversations he had with nda''s office recently, he

just has no memory at all. now there has to strike many of the jurors as rather convenient. but i think there were beginning to see how this by the prosecutor's photo giving them a glimpse, really the depth of the conflict, the animosity of this witness. those si are important because the prosecutors are going to want to provide the jury from seeing some of the most outrageous aspects of his trolling on tiktok's. which he described, by the way, as a sleep deprivation technique. is that he discovered tiktok because you has trouble sleeping. really, because he's been trolling for dollars on tiktok. he has been trolling for dollars on virtually every platform he can find. and once again you hear testimony like that and you wonder whether the new michael cohen is any different from the old michael cohen. including the old michael cohen who does a couple of weeks ago that was called by a federal judge as serial perjurer who still gaming the

system. >> sandra: jonathan, he wrote this after michael cohen' testimony just yesterday. you said, "mr fix-it michael cohen bombs understand, offers no new evidence to convict trump." so is it fair to say you did not hear anything today that would change your mind on that jonathan? >> well i'll use one of cohen' lines, i have no relation of anything i said yesterday. but no, i did say that. and is actually magnified today, that the -- what's missing with all of this -- of these sort of gotcha moments and all of the sensational detail or any elements of a crime. remember, cohen''s sole purpose here for the prosecution was to order the words they need to tell the judge that at least one person said that they had evidence of the elements of the crime.

he had not done that. might say that trump wanted to bury a scandal before the election, that he wanted to keep an nda client, none of that is particularly unusual and it's certainly not a crime. they needed him to say that trump intentionally misrepresented these payments with the intention of concealing another crime of which many of us are still debating what that crime is. he has not done that. and so i think that most judges at this point will grant a motion for a directed verdict. i am floored that the prosecution says this is it. i mean, first of all, they're talking about on the content that is held over not far from there in a jail report him who the person who supposedly was helped cutting this checks, they're not calling him and he said he wanted to adjust to the jury falsely that an agreement prevented them from calling him. they can't -- they can call

him but instead they will end with cohen even though they haven't made out the elements of the crime. so in most cases even though this motion is seldom granted more in most cases, most cases have evidence of the element. and merchan should granted. i don't see how he can avoid that. so we will have to see. and have any illusions about this. i wouldn't be surprised given his other rulings if he ignores the fact that no crime has been stated here. but if he really looks deeply within himself, i can't imagine any self-respecting judge would let us go to a jury. >> sandra: while. that says a lot, jonathan. finally, donald trump is still under this, order after an appeals court rejected his challenge saw team of his allies are doing the talking. recently started today for mckay was one of them, vivek ramaswamy, outside the court. >> what exactly is the crime. that donald trump committed?

i'll wait. we have not heard a good answer to that question. it has been vague until today, he heard michael cohen' testimony. after which i would say it is less clear than ever what that crime actually was. >> sandra: what you make of this strategy, jonathan? >> i think it's true. i think that the government is trying to portray this case as proving that trump did not want a scandal to come out before the election and paid to avoid and the judge is allowing that to be stated as if that is the crime. it's not and he would be reversed in a nanosecond if he leaves it where the prosecution had left it, with cohen. but the gag order, what is troubling is not that there is a gag order, but that this judge is opposing it against cohen and against cuadrilla who is the lead prosecutor. this is a campaign about the weaponization of the legal

system. module came from the biden administration, third in command and justice, and was previously paid by the democratic national comm committee. now as a president -- candidate, he hears the fire prime piece of evidence in this campaign that trump has cited. and yet this judge in new york is literally patrolling the throttle on what can and cannot be said in the rest -- presidential election. >> sandra: really interesting stuff. no word out of the courtroom yet that this is wrapped or the jurors have been excused so we will keep watching this. jonathan, always appreciated. you so much. courts at the rep and former president trump has indicated he will walk out in to the hallway as he most often does and speak to the cameras. that should be happening any moment now. we are on it. later on iowa republican senator julie owens just got back from israel. her method for the biden administration and her reaction to this trump trial

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pretty important is what we are living elsewhere a little can't -- conversations taking place there. we await the president. tom, your thoughts as we only have one day of this trial of this week. there's no trial tomorrow, no trial friday, this thursday remains. >> we really do enter my mind, sandra, is the underscore the importance of what will happen both today and also on thursday images and what the case is going to hinge on. able hinged bottom line on whether or not this jury believes what michael cohen is saying. like the district attorney -- on a single witness michael cohen says specifically whether or not they believe anything that he told them. >> sandra: mercedes, your thoughts? >> i think tom is exactly right because really, michael cohen --

he is the only person i can't -- there's only two individuals in this world that can tell us what happened any conversation. michael cohen and former president trump. we don't expect former president trump to take the stand -- the defense will likely be a very short rebuttal in their defense case. they will not put a lot of what the set up. if anything they will rest entirely on the arguments which is the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they didn't need -- that would be the argument of the fence will make. >> sandra: here's another update coming out of the courtroom right no as we are with the former president. you can see the activity is building outside the courtroom there, the president''s team has said that he does plan to step up to the camera and speak so we are watching for that. as i looked down and tell y

you, tom, what we just got out of the courtroom. court is overkill it will resume thursday 9:30 am eastern time with cohen understand under cross examination so it continues. lance believes he will be unquestioning cohen by thursday afternoon and believe -- remember we have been told that this is the last witness on the part of the prosecution. as to the defense expert, blanche said they would like an opportunity to discuss the testimony on thursday at 16 1600. so what does that tell you? >> what that tells me that the defense is going to go with a streamlined case if any. it sound like what they want to do is keep their options open and at the end back of thursday' testimony they will make the decision whether they want to put on any case at all and if they do put on a case its not like it will be extremely short and sweet. it will be an expert witness meeting is not going to be as

-- someone who met with trump or has personal knowledge about the facts of the cato it it sounds as though the defense will put its case all on monday, possibly all on monday. at which point they could be more evidence from the prosecution county could be something else from the fence but i think at that point we are going to segue pretty quickly into jury instructions and closing arguments. >> sandra: mercedes? >> basically related events should consider elongating that process -- cross-examination to monday. you don't want to close thursday, lastly before this long weekend, they have three days off, with a redirect of michael cohen because you know that the prosecution is going to come forward and rehabilitate michael cohen to the extent that he needs to be. >> sandra: i need to jump in here -- >> and then of course we'll have to see what happens on cross. >> sandra: tom, mercedes, thank you. the former president stepping up to the microphone. >> mr. trump: thank you very much. i have a gag order as you know so i can't amps --

answer is absolutely -- nobody has seen anything like it but we can talk about subjects -- we are allowed to talk about -- the republican nominee for president, i am leading in every pole and a gag order. so i think it's totally unconstitutional. this will be tested because the should have never happened to another candidate or another person what's happening here and today we had a very, i think a very good day in court. you see what's happening there -- you have reported because they can't -- we can talk about it much but i think it was a very good day. the voters are getting [inaudible] probably number 1 pull number -- voters are getting it, they don't like the idea that the courts are deciding the presidential election.

well, so far, my numbers are leading by a lot as you know against crooked joe biden. trolley, you've heard got a great reporter, the problem for democrats in that the -- see through the scam and don't like what is going on. watching 100,000 enthusiastic people gather along the boardwalk in new jersey beach saturday as you probably saw, support former president trump on saturday evening, gives you some idea how the -- terrified democrats are of trump. and that's it -- oettinger terrified if anything they are fascists. whatever happens they can -- there's no way anybody else will be trump and they are using election interference to try to do it. and he then -- because they lose and they know it if there's --

cnn on their talking to voters across the countries these battleground states many of them aren't paying attention. the reason the president is having trouble, president biden is having trouble is because young voters voted with their -- young voters - -- [inaudible] that is a problem for biden. -- great reporter calculus [inaudible] nowhere in the first week. can you believe i've been here for five weeks? instead of complaining. it's a shame. which of course -- it might not be working on the way the anticipated this is what they wanted to do, keep me in here as long as possible. last possible. know where the first week of

the trial with wall-to-wall media coverage and it appears not to have affected trump' support at all [inaudible] showing trend that -- the political science literature is really consistent that this is a time when the lecturers views are -- alan dershowitz, the great gentleman congresses election interference in the most obvious and every american the matter where you're on the trump team or against h him, whatever political lafayette -- affiliation it is and he goes on to say he's a democrat, he can't be right about anything and he's making a big mistake, if you're jewish and you're a democrat and includes alan dershowitz, you ought to have your head examined if you see what's going on with israel. but here goes on -- [inaudible]

remember this all over the world watching this trial and the sea what a disgrace this is in a big disgrace to new york. all of the state capital of the city and then -- them cut -- businesses are leaving because they can't go through what i'm going through. speaker mike johnson ones here a little while ago. is -- to collect what's happening this -- great gentleman -- [inaudible] by the way all coming from washington -- this is election interference by biden. i've never -- these criminals --

enemies like china and russia now both of america's new political prosecutions are similar to those of their own system and even more so. the [inaudible] he goes on with the people statement and a lot more. by the public -- and they agree with him another% -- they say any presidents would go through -- et cetera. is a disgrace what is happening. this is something that should be happening. tom -- carefully -- up in new york, the prosecution in quotes prosecution -- had not presented any evidence of a crime by trump whatsoever, judge merchan -- he said -- on -- i'm not going to say that about the judge. met with vigor, former acting

attorney general -- deeply concerned about the trial of new york targeted present trump calvin very unfair, et cetera, et cetera. [inaudible] never seen anything like this, order. hopefully will never again. you have a constitutional problem with the ability to say anything about your own case. i am not allowed to talk about big push -- portions of my case. nothing like that hasn't ever happened. are allowed to talk on the other side but i'm not. governor doug burgum who was here also, many politicians we are today, many congressmen et cetera et cetera document some of them. we know from the poles that president trump is leading all over the country and the

conclusion is un-american people who -- early acquitted president trump. i believe that is true and i believe that a large portion say this trial is a disgrace and so are the others by the way, if you look at the way they're going. take a look at on in -- with during jack's most. he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. he got caught doing things that you're not supposed to -- that's why column the range jackson and he's a deranged person represented -- graphic young congressman. this is a travesty, injustice. look around new york. new york has a lot of issues and he talks about the issues of people being killed right outside and yet we have 20 prosecutors sitting over there for what most people got almost every single legal analyst says no crime. is no crime. but we've got all the das in their and they say -- this is nothing more than an action

interference. the american people see -- for what it is. the trial is going very well, is the fourth week. up and stuck in here for four weeks, i colored icebox and recalling the icebox. today very -- this is what they should be looking at right here. that's what they -- this is called our new wave of cri crime, [inaudible] erin mcculloch biden, biden migrant crime because he's allowed probably 15, 16 million people in our country having no idea who they are. many are from prisons and jails and many are from mental institutions and even instant asylums. there -- all over the world are coming into our beautiful u.s.a. and this is a man doesn't chart -- three [inaudible] baby. right here. this is what we are allowing into our country. no chance, no nothing.

and interest rates are rising at a rapid rate and inflation is going up very, very powerfully and if you know what invasion really is it like country buster. inflation over the last -- you look over 500 years, you like, countries with inflation, there busted. they bust up countries and that's what we have here. record inflation and it's b bad. and people are dying because of it. you would have our no inflation with me. we would had propped -- you have record inflation -- [inaudible] people can't buy anything. they go for food and it's 40, 50, 60, 70, 80% more than it was just a couple of years ago. so that is a shame. we will be back tomorrow again, we had a very good day. i think we're exposing this scam for what it is. think you very much.

what did you think when he heard that? by the way there was a reference to doug burgum and son of the surrogates that joined him there today and spoke outside the courthouse. you can see doug burgum rather over his right shoulder as he was speaking. surrogates doug burgum byron donald's, or e-mails who was on with this earlier, vivek ramaswamy, eric and laura crump with him. content stuff obviously all behind him as he delirious -- delivered these remarks. tom, your reactions? >> sandra: >> i think the former president is taking some inspiration from all the lawyers he's been watching the past few days. 's presentation was lawyerly in nature. he made his points, he had a stack of papers that he rattled them off the evidence to support his points, he talked about his poll numbers and look, he is not wrong. the numbers are what the numbers are and we heard from many people leaning democratic that there are regular hands that biden numbers are down and at times, trump numbers are staying strong and i think the president a good point

very powerfully and forcefully. i also thought it was notable that he said today was a good day. keep in mind that today was the day that the prose prosecution's star witness was in the spotlight and so the fact that content comes out after hearing everything that cohen had to unload on him today and delivers the verdict that this was a good day for the plans i think speaks volumes. >> sandra: mercedes all get your take on what we just heard as well while also noting the audio is not perfect and it is hard to make out exactly every word that he has said there. even speak for about ten minutes as he did yesterday as well in the court hallway with its -- for the surrogates behind him. you started off by saying he can't say much or answer simple questions new to the gag order. he called to be a very good day in court then went on to talk about voters oppose coherent articles as tom just reference, reading quotes, criticizing the trial. he called it a shame that he's in court and not campaigning for mckee name check some of his surrogates

for mckee also commented on your city crime and security outside the courthouse and it reminds you mercedes, that while he is in there, he is not campaigning outside of the room. >> sandra, other defense attorney i will tell you it is a very scary proposition. when your client is in the throes and the thick of a trial wants to make public statements. if there's a gag order, no gag order, sanctions pending, judges telling you to talk can i will tell you i will say this all the time, you know why your client to speak in the thick of the trial. that's not to say that obviously the former president trump is very frustrated about the process, feel that this is politically motivated, feels that this is impugning his ability to run for office. all of that said but strictly as a defense attorney it is a very scary, dangers proposition when clients want to come forward and engage with the media and make any announcements. having said that, he does confine himself to what the judge has set and very

smartly he looked at quotes from others who have spoken about his trial. he is not -- is literally repeating what is already out there in the media but you can see todd blanche, he is a very serious, well-respected lawyer, looking the grimace on his face because i can feel his pain as a defense attorney, he does not want your client to speak during trial. it is dangerous. thankfully he is committed to just confining himself to what other people have written and things outside of what is happening in the courtroom. >> sandra: he went -- to comment on your city crime, security outside the courthouse of which there is a lot. he said the trial is going very well and ended his remarks were talking about migrant crime and showing a pic of a migrant accused of killing an infant and as i mention he also touched on inflation. you did say will be back tomorrow but air minor there is no court tomorrow. it will be back on thursday and we've also been told it will conclude at 4:00.

final thoughts from you, tom? >> my final thought here is not for someone who is subject to a gag order he sure covered a lot of ground. look, this is turning in the presidential campaign and like anything the country has ever scene. you have the leading candidates who is limited in what he can say, he is physically confined in a courtroom for most of his days in the communicates to the american people in large part through these posttrial press conferences every day but you hasn't shown any signs of slowing down in terms of the nature of the comments he can make, the scope of his comments and as you pointed out and mercedes pointed out he has been very judicious in making sure everything he says that you do the lines of what the judge said at one point he was about to put something negative, someone said about the judge and then pulled back and said, you know, i'm not going to go there. >> sandra: a reporter shuddered right at the end there as he finished his remarks, or do you plan to testify mr content?" which he did not answer or answer any questions. great to have you both and thank you for sticking around through the breaking news. donald trump on trial and

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>> sandra: national security advisor, this weekend, amidst tensions over its rafah operation. our next guest just returned from israel and said present joe biden's ironclad commitment to our ally. senate joni ernst as part of the senate armed services committee and she joins us now. senator ernst, welcome and thanks for joining us. please do tell us what was your take away from your trip? >> yes, absolutely, and thank you, sandra. my take away from the trip was absolutely that the united states should continue supporting israel. it is imperative, just as president joe biden said, he had an ironclad commitment to israel, and yet we are seeing him pull back from that and at a time when israel truly needs the munitions, needs the support to. see our president denying them exactly what they need to win this war. >> sandra: so as far as our next steps in aiding israel in

this fight, are we doing all we can? >> i think we can do more, and no, i don't believe this president is doing everything he should to support them. one, his messaging is horrible. we know that the terrorists will use this to their benefit. we know that we should be providing those munitions. we know that we should be providing the platforms. and the irony of this is that the munitions that the united states was going to provide to israel are the exact munitions that allow them to precisely target hamas and minimize civilian death and injury, so the fact that the president is withholding this, it is abhorrent. we need to move beyond this. we need to make sure that we are honoring that ironclad commitment to israel and minimizing those civilian deaths. >> sandra: you know, senator, i want our viewers attention to the bottom of our screen, just a moment ago, we saw the motorcade

to parting the courthouse, the current president has just left while you were there and all of this is happening, the former president, donald trump, has been in a courtroom here. i want to get your take on what we have seen so far this week. there is one day left in this trial. the president just departed saying he is under this gag order. he has never seen anything like it, and they should never happen to another candidate or another president again. what is your thoughts on what we have seen so far in this trial this week? >> this is absolutely political. folks back home in iowa are not talking about this trial, other than why are they doing this? every day iowans, they are not concerned about what's going on in the new york city courtroom. what they are faced with are the domestic issues. they are saying fentanyl poured over an open border to the south. they are seeing horrible bidenomics creating inflation. they are struggling to make ends

meet. and yet what do we see the democrats focusing on? this ridiculous trial in new york city. this needs to stop. president trump needs to be able to go out, he needs the ability to get out and connect with voters, just as president biden has the opportunity to get out and connect with voters. we are denying this candidate an opportunity to share his message with the voters across the united states, and it is all political. everyone sees through that. i think all this will do is cement support for president trump in the fall election. >> sandra: do you think it is hurting or helping him in the polls right now while he is in my courtroom? >> i think it is actually helping him. and may be for various reasons. but again, going back to my folks in iowa, they just get angry that they feel the democrats are persecuting president trump, and because of that anger, they gravitate

towards president trump. they want to support him. they want to defend him. and that means that likely in the fall, they will go vote for him because they see this as political nonsense coming from the left. when we have a world on fire, literally on fire, with wars erupting everywhere, and we see our economy just struggling with folks worried about their pocket books here the heartland, they are saying, you know what? we need a change. that change is going to be tunnel trump. take a look at me for years ago. we were so much better off then and i anticipate their feet will take them on into the ballot box. they will be supporting republicans up and down the ticket this fall. so shame on you, president biden, and shame on the democrats for doing this. >> sandra: the former president took the opportunity as he stepped out of the courtroom a moment ago does address some of those key campaign voter issues such as the economy and immigration, senator, while i have you, president biden's hiking

tariffs, this happened today come on a host of chinese-made goods, and putting electric vehicles and semiconductors. so what do you make of that move, senator? >> right, exactly, so here's president biden and his tariff scheme, and what he is doing is prioritizing chinese tariffs with the chips, the electric vehicles, everything that's on his agenda, that's what he's focused on. but you know what, he is really hosing america's farmers. again, another difference between president biden and president trump is that president trump actually had a good plan in place which would address the funny business of the chinese when it came to american crops, when it came to the grains that we were shipping overseas. the chinese are infamous for canceling orders while they are being shipped across, you know, think about american corn, moving across the pacific ocean, the chinese would cancel their orders, and then renegotiate with those farmers for a lower

price on their corn. you know, we are not addressing issues like that. instead, we are, again, fighting for this liberal fantasy, evs, the chips. president biden has got to do better for our american farmers. >> sandra: it's i always say growing up in the midwest, we watch those corn prices like most people watch gas prices all over the country be a great matters it impacts so many families. senator, good to have you on the program fresh off your trip, thank you. >> thanks, sandra. >> sandra: by the way, the dow up 126 points today, the nasdaq a fresh record high, interesting day for the markets as we head into the middle of the week. great to be with you all. thank you so much for joining us. neil is back tomorrow and you can catch me weekdays on "american reports" 1:00 p.m. eastern time. and now, here comes "the five." ♪ ♪ >> dan h

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