Morning Coffee: The elite students and no-hopers of Goldman and JP Morgan. Video games professionals are transferring their skills to banking (2024)

If you had been wondering what the balance between fear and greed was among young people today, the statistics on graduate applications to investment banks might shed some light. On the one hand, since this time last year the banks have rapidly and repeatedly increased the salaries they’re offering to new recruits. On the other, a banking career looks somewhat riskier than it did 12 months ago, and publicity about working conditions hasn’t got any better. So, which of the two effects won out?

The answer is … ambiguous. According to data crunched by Financial News, applications to Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse and HSBC were down, while Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan were up on last year, Citi was flat and Bank of America declined to comment. Since there were likely to be some firm-specific perception issues in play – constant bad headlines at CS, geopolitical uncertainty with respect to Hong Kong at HSBC – it looks like kids are still keen on the industry.

But the real question which might be raised from looking at the data might be something more like - do any of these numbers make sense? For Goldman Sachs, the global internship program received 236,000 applications for 3,000 places. At JP Morgan, it was 270,855 applications for 4,604 places, of which 54,000 applications went in for the 480 places in the investment bank. Across the industry, even at the firms which saw slight year-on-year falls, the norm seems to be that the crude percentage chance of getting accepted to an investment banking graduate program is a bit more than 1%, but significantly less than 2%.

By comparison, the acceptance rate at Harvard is 5%, Oxford University is 17.5% and for the Navy SEALs it’s about 6%. This might be considered a good thing for the industry, in so far as it represents a conscious attempt to broaden the pool of applicants and take the very best of the best from a wider range of young people. On the other hand, there needs to be a reality check here – in any given year, does it really seem likely that there are nearly a quarter of a million people graduating who would have a realistic chance of making a career at Goldman Sachs?

And if the answer is no, then the challenge to graduate recruiters is almost impossible. No matter how hard they work, there has to be some degree of arbitrariness in the process by which the mountain of applications is cut down to a manageable number which can be given serious attention. It’s pretty likely that the ones who are accepted are, indeed, among the very best. But when you have so many applications to reject, you can be pretty sure that there are also some great candidates among the ones that got thrown away without a proper look.

No wonder there is such a growth industry in algorithmic scoring, video interviews and artificial intelligence for recruitment. Perhaps it’s the modern equivalent to the process apocryphally used by a famous hedge fund manager, who used to throw applications up in the air and pick up the ones that landed right side up. His reasoning was simple – “the last thing I need are unlucky traders”.

Elsewhere, it’s a bit of a cliché to compare securities trading to a video game. But according to William Archbell, an engineering team lead at Citadel Securities, developing high-performance systems for market making really is like developing video games. And he should know; after a decade in the gaming industry, he left a Microsoft-backed studio to work in finance.

The video game industry is notorious for its working practices, and it does indeed seem that Archbell might be one of the few people in the world able to truthfully say that he went to work for Citadel in search of better work-life balance. But his main insight appears to be that the real difference between trading systems and games is that platforms are “optimised for P&L” rather than “optimised for fun”. Other than that, it’s all C++ and it’s all about user testing, iteration and minimising latency. It almost seems a shame – wouldn’t you like to, just once in a while, use a piece of banking software that had been optimised for fun?

Meanwhile

The intern class of 2022 have been living it up on TikTok, making videos showing the lifestyle, the parties and the free food. There is also a growing number of junior banker/influencers, although they seem to be a bit more cautious about revealing which bank they work for. (Bloomberg)

Sam Trabuco, co-CEO of Alameda Research and right-hand man of Sam Bankman-Fried, has stepped down in order to concentrate on “travelling, visiting friends and family, working on myself and whatnot”; he’s also bought a boat. (Twitter)

Cynics of ESG investment often suggest that the “sustainability” factor is really nothing more than “short oil and gas”. Given that, it’s perhaps understandable that Strive Asset Management has decided to capitalise on the success of its first “Anti-ESG” exchange traded fund by launching another one. Every flight delay seems to mean that the bar runs out of champagne. (Bloomberg)

Although “non-financial misconduct” is an enforcement priority for regulators in the City of London, freedom of information requests reveal that neither the FCA nor the Bank of England has fired anyone for drug or alcohol misuse since 2018. There has been some use of employee support lines (about which they’re understandably reluctant to give details), but very few compulsory drug tests. (Financial News)

As more and more people find clever hacks and premium credit cards which allow them into airport lounges, conditions are getting more and more crowded and unpleasant for the road warriors and investment bankers who regard them as their own turf. (Bloomberg)

A strange story of someone who suffered a traumatic brain injury and found that it made her less inhibited and more outgoing – rather than trying to get her old personality back, she decided to use it as an opportunity for reinvention. (WIRED)

Morning Coffee: The elite students and no-hopers of Goldman and JP Morgan. Video games professionals are transferring their skills to banking (2024)

FAQs

Which is more prestigious Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan? ›

Bankers continue to regard Goldman Sachs as the world's most prestigious bank, followed (as always) by Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan. Credit Suisse and UBS lost the most ground in 2022 while LionTree Advisors' reputation improved the most in the eyes of bankers.

Why is Goldman Sachs so controversial? ›

2. Conflicts of Interest: One of the biggest criticisms of Goldman Sachs is its close relationship with the US government. Many of the bank's executives have held high-level positions in government, and some have even been accused of using their influence to benefit Goldman Sachs.

What is JP Morgan's acceptance rate? ›

How to Prepare for a JP Morgan Interview. Like with any prestigious position, competition for offers is high and acceptance rates are low – routinely under 5%. Preparation is key for a successful interview.

What are the odds of breaking into investment banking? ›

The lucrative and fast-paced career of an investment banker is a highly competitive one. For instance, in a recent year, 236,000 applicants competed for roughly 3,500 internships at Goldman Sachs. This is common across the industry where acceptance rates for programs are typically less than 2%.

Is Goldman Sachs harder than Harvard? ›

Bagging a job at Goldman Sachs (GS)' is a phenomenon rarer than receiving an acceptance letter from Harvard University.

Why is J.P. Morgan so prestigious? ›

JPMorgan Chase is one of the world's oldest, largest and best-known financial institutions. With a history that traces our roots to 1799 in New York City, we carry forth the innovative spirit of our heritage firms in our global operations in over 60 countries. Our firm's culture is rooted in our core principles.

Are Goldman Sachs in trouble? ›

The bank also got caught up in a Malaysian investment scandal involving billions of dollars. Most recently, Goldman's venture into consumer banking has bit the dust, failing to gain traction with potential customers. The bank has closed most of the consumer operation after spending billions to get it off the ground.

Is Goldman Sachs declining? ›

Despite the strong quarterly results, Goldman's earnings report finalized a few unfortunate annual milestones for the bank: Its $46.5 billion in sales marked its worst year since 2020 and its $8.52 billion in net income capped its least profitable year since 2019.

Did anyone from Goldman Sachs go to jail? ›

Roger Ng, the former Goldman Sachs banker at the center of the multibillion 1MDB embezzlement scandal, was sentenced to 10 years in prison on Thursday, placing a capstone on one of the largest and most bizarre financial frauds of the past decade.

What is the hardest bank to get into? ›

Goldman Sachs is often cited as the hardest investment bank to get into, due to its prestigious reputation, highly competitive hiring process, and rigorous standards for candidates in terms of experience, education, and skills.

What GPA does J.P. Morgan look for? ›

Q: What are your GPA requirements? A: We value diverse degree backgrounds and experiences and while a GPA 3.2 (or equivalent) in your undergraduate degree is preferred it is not required. Our training programs are designed to allow everyone, regardless of major studied to succeed.

What is the most prestigious finance firm? ›

The Top 10 Most Prestigious Investment Banks for 2024:
  • Goldman Sachs & Co.
  • Morgan Stanley.
  • J.P. Morgan.
  • Centerview Partners.
  • Evercore.
  • Lazard.
  • PJT Partners.
  • Moelis & Company.
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Is investment banking harder than law? ›

Of the two careers, investment banking requires greater quantitative acumen and math skills. The educational requirements for becoming a lawyer are much more rigid than those for becoming an investment banker.

What is a bad GPA for investment banking? ›

Most people would say that anything below a 3.5 / 4.0 in the U.S. and anything below a 2:1 in the U.K. counts as “low” (for other countries, you can make the conversion).

How stressful is being an investment banker? ›

Investment banking is one of Wall Street's most coveted roles. It is also one of the hardest. It is no surprise that the average day in an investment banker's life is long and stressful. Those who manage to survive the adjustment period often go on to have long and financially rewarding careers.

Does Goldman Sachs pay more than J.P. Morgan? ›

Who pays more JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs? At the same role Goldman Sachs 100% pays more. Their bonus is set to be sometimes more than 100% your salary as you get more senior.

Is Goldman Sachs the most prestigious bank? ›

The Top 10 Most Prestigious Investment Banks for 2024:

Goldman Sachs & Co. Morgan Stanley. J.P. Morgan. Centerview Partners.

Is Goldman Sachs the most powerful bank in the world? ›

Goldman Sachs is the second largest investment bank in the world by revenue and is ranked 55th on the Fortune 500 list of the largest United States corporations by total revenue. In Forbes Global 2000 2023, Goldman Sachs ranked 34th.

Is J.P. Morgan the most powerful bank? ›

JPMorgan Chase & Co. is an American multinational financial institution headquartered in New York City and incorporated in Delaware. It is the largest bank in the United States and the world's largest bank by market capitalization as of 2023.

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